Curse

Zexion · Jun 28, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Energy +5 upgrade=100000k
Energy +4 upgrade=100g

Maybe exaggerating a bit on the numbers, but you get my drift?
I mean, that puny +1 difference does really make that much difference?
Also, why does a +25 health upgrade sell for 100g, when if just 5 health higher sells for billions of cash?
People are so perfectionistic when it comes to such minor differences.
Note, this is not directed at ANet, as they can do nothing, but the corruption of the people with much IG money, and their influence of the economy.

*rant*
*rant*
*puke*

_Zexion

EmperorTippy · Jun 28, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

I pay more for health depleating mods. Those -40 ones are quite nice. I have a build that benifits quite nicly from having only 10 HP at lvl 20. An item that took away 100 heath and gave 25-50 energy would be my faviorte item on that build. I already have 5 superios on that dude plus some of the "worst" items in the game. Like a gold wand with -90 health and a anaka with -25 health. Its very needed.

10 Health and my monks invincible.

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 28, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

You don't need +5 upgrades to kick the asses of people using them.
Guild Wars is chock-full of "uber" geared idiots who can't fight their way out of a paper bag.
Who's laughing then?

Epinephrine · Jun 28, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

I pay more for health depleating mods. Those -40 ones are quite nice. I have a build that benifits quite nicly from having only 10 HP at lvl 20. An item that took away 100 heath and gave 25-50 energy would be my faviorte item on that build. I already have 5 superios on that dude plus some of the "worst" items in the game. Like a gold wand with -90 health and a anaka with -25 health. Its very needed.

10 Health and my monks invincible.

Yes, yes... until you get bleeding. Slap a pile of degen on you and you are a goner, or strip your Protective Bond. Walk over a Flame trap and get hit by a Conjure Phantasm at the same time and unless you are running more than 10 pips of regen you are dropping like a rock - after all, at 10 health you'll last ~2.5 seconds with -2 regen, and Fire+Phantasm =-12 regen.

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 28, 2005, 03:58 PM // 15:58

So, you gonna sell that +5 energy to me for 100k? I'll buy!

Totaly agreed, but then again... if it doesnt help that much, why do you care about getting it? I mean, myself... i try to spend my money only on superior runes (gotta get my 16 attribute) and major vigor runes (because superior is nothing but laughable...), then i work up my extra money and cough out that 15k armor, and Blaam, i look instantly awesome.

As a casual gamer, i get left behind on economies in games like this... heh, oops. poor us. But, you know whats awesome?! You may have guessed it already, but in this game, the items isnt what makes the team! i love it so much!... teamwork wins no matter what the case... there are no godlike items, and that my friend, is what will keep this game alive.

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Yes, yes... until you get bleeding. Slap a pile of degen on you and you are a goner, or strip your Protective Bond. Walk over a Flame trap and get hit by a Conjure Phantasm at the same time and unless you are running more than 10 pips of regen you are dropping like a rock - after all, at 10 health you'll last ~2.5 seconds with -2 regen, and Fire+Phantasm =-12 regen.

Just for the record, 10 pips is the limit... or at least accoarding to the last thing i've known.

Epinephrine · Jun 28, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perishiko ReLLiK

Just for the record, 10 pips is the limit... or at least accoarding to the last thing i've known.

Yes, but it counts them beyond that; applying 12 pips of degeneration to a guy might sound like overkill, but if he starts a 8/10 pip Healing breeze he's still at -4/-2 degeneration - so it has a purpose.

Sniper22 · Jun 28, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zexion

Energy +5 upgrade=100000k
Energy +4 upgrade=100g

Maybe exaggerating a bit on the numbers, but you get my drift?
I mean, that puny +1 difference does really make that much difference?
Also, why does a +25 health upgrade sell for 100g, when if just 5 health higher sells for billions of cash?
People are so perfectionistic when it comes to such minor differences.
Note, this is not directed at ANet, as they can do nothing, but the corruption of the people with much IG money, and their influence of the economy.

*rant*
*rant*
*puke*

_Zexion

I guess its just on how rare the items are, supply and demand. There would be a lot more +25 Health upgrades out there than +30. People just like max stuff. btw whats the max for a def upgrade?

I didn't know my energy upgrade was that good. I was running around in the jungle to go make some vellum (I happened to take a long way), when I went away from the computer for about five minutes and there were enemies near by. I guess Little Thorn attacked them because when I can back I found a gold max bone staff (And its for my profession and attribute

) and I found out it had 5 energy and 5 defense)

Dreamsmith · Jun 28, 2005, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zexion

Energy +5 upgrade=100000k
Energy +4 upgrade=100g

Maybe exaggerating a bit on the numbers, but you get my drift?

Perfectly, and I love it. The economy isn't screwed up, it's exactly the way it needs to be so that casual gamers don't get left behind. Is that +1 energy going to make a difference should I meet someone in PvP that's rich enough to use a +5 while I'm using a +4? The odds are extremely remote that it'll make any difference at all. Thus, the fact that I can easily afford that +4 allows me to be competitive with people who literally have several orders of magnitude more gold than I do. If +4 upgrades cost 80% as much as +5 upgrades, I'd be screwed, but as it is, it's great!

Zexion · Jun 28, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Well, screwed doesn't mean not good, but it would be nice actually to make money on a +3 energy upgrade, instead of a measly 400 gold, when those with a +4 makes 10 times as much.
But as DS said, it makes the system of "not hours played, but skill" oh so very true.

_Zexion

stumpy · Jun 28, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

the people buying the extra plus one ... actually have like 100 plat and up. they freely spam WTB top of the line weapon/wand/ godly etc ... and accompany that by "paying well" or "will pay 100K".. because they dont want to waste the time to look for it, and the actual drop ratio will mean they would have to try and find it forever. while others drop more frequently for balance ... ut that plus 1 does matter to some ... just not to anybody like me.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 28, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02

If I do not get the extra 3 energy, I WILL SIMPLY DIE!!

EternalTempest · Jun 28, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

That mirror's real life

Look at video cards bleeding edge most current upper card is starting at msrp $600 and sold higher then msrp if limited supply in the chain. The previous just replaced got a huge $100-200 reduction. The 3rd generation is about $300 less.

MoldyRiceFrenzy · Jun 28, 2005, 11:56 PM // 23:56

yep this is becoming rich are gona get really rich and poor are just gonna get poorer....

Ashley Twig · Jun 29, 2005, 06:36 AM // 06:36

It would seem that there's only one way to prevent overrated prices for overrated items:
Don't buy them.
What good is a rare item to someone who can't use it and can't sell it.

On the other hand we have greed in everyone of us. Everybody wants to be a hero, some top of the noch big cheese whatever.

And if money can buy you fortune and fame, why rely on skills and teamspirit?

GW not only reflects our current societies attitude, it magnifies it, so all the better to see what kind of money influenced greedy nerds walk among us.

"Money makes the world go round"
I guess the world must've stood still when people believed, that the earth is the center of the universe, and flat as a disc.

Rhunex · Jun 29, 2005, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Ummmm....not to sound ebil or anything but this happens in every game...

People make perf mods more expensive so they have in-game status symbols....because what else would you have as a status symbol...cape? too cheap. guild? too cheap. guild hall? no one cares, they're on the decrease...

The only way to strut your stuff in-game is through items, appearance, mods, etc. People mainly jack prices up because perf items are more rare than just getting random mods, no matter how great they stack up.

sino-soviet · Jun 29, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24

As I said many times before, with an upgrade trader, in theory, the economy will be perfect. Essentially, it will become an economy where gold is solely a luxury, and necesities such as weapons are right where they have been the whole time. However, people who complain about the economy are seldom complaining about upgrades. Ironically, they whine about the prices of GOLD weapons with high damage mods. Only when people can stop being so superficial and take a stand, saying " I will use this appalling and disgusting looking collector's item because it is every bit as good as a gold one" can the economy be sufficient. Honestly, if one is not able to get the gold, you can fallback on collectors items. It is nothing but sheer vanity which is currently driving the economy. I agree with the topic creator that people are too greedy, but the ones who are truly being greedy are the buyers even moreso than the sellers.

Dazzler · Jun 29, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zexion

Energy +5 upgrade=100000k
Energy +4 upgrade=100g

Maybe exaggerating a bit on the numbers, but you get my drift?
I mean, that puny +1 difference does really make that much difference?
Also, why does a +25 health upgrade sell for 100g, when if just 5 health higher sells for billions of cash?
People are so perfectionistic when it comes to such minor differences.
Note, this is not directed at ANet, as they can do nothing, but the corruption of the people with much IG money, and their influence of the economy.

*rant*
*rant*
*puke*

_Zexion

Yes that is a serious exageration. And even then, when you have money to spend and nothing to buy, you end up spending a lot on what is essentially no different than what you have. Why? Because you can and it is fun to continually improve. Why do people buy the 15k armor or the Fissure armor? Because it is a goal to strive for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perishiko ReLLiK

So, you gonna sell that +5 energy to me for 100k? I'll buy!

Um, if you are serious I have one on auction right now for WAY less than 100k.

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